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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They can get up to 65 M/bits with the current software, so its possible.


look more closely at my chart - some are OM2P's, some are MR3201a's. the old ones are meshing with the new ones faster than is technically possible.

yes, they are all very close. some are within 6 inches of each other - others are 20 feet apart.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They can get up to 65 M/bits with the current software, so its possible.


look more closely at my chart - some are OM2P's, some are MR3201a's. the old ones are meshing with the new ones faster than is technically possible.

yes, they are all very close. some are within 6 inches of each other - others are 20 feet apart.

The MR320As can go up to 54 M/bits BUT are not likely to ever exceed 20 M/bits because of the CPU, etc.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...just about performances, this is meshroot-pro firmware (802.11n 2x2 MiMo): up to 127 MBit/s TCP @MCS 15 (270 MBit/s data rate):


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Code:
Station xx (on wlan0)
   inactive time:   80 ms
   rx bytes:   135881
   rx packets:   2066
   tx bytes:   57798
   tx packets:   58
   tx retries:   4
   tx failed:   0
   signal:     -53 dBm
   signal avg:   -53 dBm
   tx bitrate:   270.0 MBit/s MCS 15 40Mhz
   rx bitrate:   108.0 MBit/s MCS 11 40Mhz

Station xx (on wlan0)
   inactive time:   310 ms
   rx bytes:   27196
   rx packets:   419
   tx bytes:   1516
   tx packets:   17
   tx retries:   0
   tx failed:   0
   signal:     -54 dBm
   signal avg:   -55 dBm
   tx bitrate:   216.0 MBit/s MCS 13 40Mhz
   rx bitrate:   108.0 MBit/s MCS 11 40Mhz


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Antonio (isleman) wrote:
...just about performances, this is meshroot-pro firmware (802.11n 2x2 MiMo): up to 127 MBit/s TCP @MCS 15 (270 MBit/s data rate):


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Code:
Station xx (on wlan0)
   inactive time:   80 ms
   rx bytes:   135881
   rx packets:   2066
   tx bytes:   57798
   tx packets:   58
   tx retries:   4
   tx failed:   0
   signal:     -53 dBm
   signal avg:   -53 dBm
   tx bitrate:   270.0 MBit/s MCS 15 40Mhz
   rx bitrate:   108.0 MBit/s MCS 11 40Mhz

Station xx (on wlan0)
   inactive time:   310 ms
   rx bytes:   27196
   rx packets:   419
   tx bytes:   1516
   tx packets:   17
   tx retries:   0
   tx failed:   0
   signal:     -54 dBm
   signal avg:   -55 dBm
   tx bitrate:   216.0 MBit/s MCS 13 40Mhz
   rx bitrate:   108.0 MBit/s MCS 11 40Mhz


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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codyc1515 wrote:

They can get up to 65 M/bits with the current software, so its possible.


look more closely at my chart - some are OM2P's, some are MR3201a's. the old ones are meshing with the new ones faster than is technically possible.

yes, they are all very close. some are within 6 inches of each other - others are 20 feet apart.

The MR320As can go up to 54 M/bits BUT are not likely to ever exceed 20 M/bits because of the CPU, etc.


Can it go faster? it claims to, but i don't trust it's numbers. I'll post again with all nodes are running the same firmware version - v330 is on it's way over-the-air this week (i hope).


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will it run on the OM2P?

no, it's Atheros based.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@dale
how many antennas has the OM2P?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how many antennas has the OM2P?

1

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how many antennas has the OM2P?

1


you have checked inside the box?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@dale
how many antennas has the OM2P?

1


you have checked inside the box?

I know it for a fact as the max speed the device will do is 150 M/bits aka. 1x1 aka. 1 stream 1 antenna.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know it for a fact as the max speed the device will do is 150 M/bits aka. 1x1 aka. 1 stream 1 antenna.


That's correct.
Anyway the 150 MBits is the max reachable data rate when using 40 MHz channel (so quite improbable on 2.4 GHz band) and not TCP throughput [1].
FYI, meshroot-pro is full 2x2 MiMo, e.g. 4 antennas (2 on 5GHz and 2 on 2.4GHz). This is why we reach up to 270 MBits data rate and 130-150 MBits as TCP speed @-50 dBm
(see MCS and tx/rx bitrates from iw wlanx station dump below):


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had the 2x2 MIMO dual option for a long time now, however the driver is a bit differnet than what is available to others and we run custom mesh encyption, something not available on the other solutions. Just fyi on the ath9k dumps, wouldn't always count on the numbers displayed there. The driver we run has a similar output, but I don't always go by what it says.

The single radio option will be listed on our site soon... OM beat me to the listing this time around.. Smile A nice looking product for sure at a great price, but I think the lower price comes from the 1x1 in this case. Running the 40mhz wide in the 2.4ghz band is not always the best idea to achieve higher speeds.

Our solution is a full 2x2 single radio 2.4ghz unit with extra ram and cpu power and licensed atheros driver. The tx power is not set in stone yet, but I do not think it will be as high as the 400mw OM is running.
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I guess competion is good

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we run custom mesh encyption, something not available on the other solutions.

We too use AES 256 bit for dashboard traffic encryption other than signed mesh traffic and L2 strict-mesh (instead of L3 strict mesh) for a more secure network.
Anyway, there are many other features that might be of interest relating to meshroot solutions (firmwares, dashboard, Chilli-multiNet controller, ..).
Unfortunately, prepare all the stuff (web tools, FCC certifications, site,...) requires care and time (as you know) and we want to be out with everything ok.
Meanwhile, those who want more detailed informations please contact me directly.

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Running the 40mhz wide in the 2.4ghz band is not always the best idea to achieve higher speeds.

Agree.

Single-radio or dual-radio? this is a hot topic and both the choices have their good and valid reasons.
Certainly, the availability of 802.11n is the key and the choice of multiple separate antennas is almost inevitable since reaching the 300 MBit/s data rate (MCS 15) does require
two spatial streams, i.e. two concurrent and independent radio wave connections.
As posted many times here - repetita iuvant - with just one spatial stream the maximum is MCS 7, up to 150 MBit/s data rate ...but @40 MHz channel.
Oh, every one has his own convictions and tends to feather one's own nest, that's ok: just remember that data rates are 'numbers' and not 'opinions'.
That said, single radio firmwares (Robin and meshroot) a part, dual-radio (the 3rd radio is optional) 4-antennas device is what providers need for a professional approach.

About the ath9k numbers: one could not rely on them but the 130~150 MBits TCP speed at the peer are measured and real.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we run custom mesh encyption, something not available on the other solutions.

We too use AES 256 bit for dashboard traffic encryption other than signed mesh traffic and L2 strict-mesh (instead of L3 strict mesh) for a more secure network.
Anyway, there are many other features that might be of interest relating to meshroot solutions (firmwares, dashboard, Chilli-multiNet controller, ..).
Unfortunately, prepare all the stuff (web tools, FCC certifications, site,...) requires care and time (as you know) and we want to be out with everything ok.
Meanwhile, those who want more detailed informations please contact me directly.

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Running the 40mhz wide in the 2.4ghz band is not always the best idea to achieve higher speeds.

Agree.

Single-radio or dual-radio? this is a hot topic and both the choices have their good and valid reasons.
Certainly, the availability of 802.11n is the key and the choice of multiple separate antennas is almost inevitable since reaching the 300 MBit/s data rate (MCS 15) does require
two spatial streams, i.e. two concurrent and independent radio wave connections.
As posted many times here - repetita iuvant - with just one spatial stream the maximum is MCS 7, up to 150 MBit/s data rate ...but @40 MHz channel.
Oh, every one has his own convictions and tends to feather one's own nest, that's ok: just remember that data rates are 'numbers' and not 'opinions'.
That said, single radio firmwares (Robin and meshroot) a part, dual-radio (the 3rd radio is optional) 4-antennas device is what providers need for a professional approach.

About the ath9k numbers: one could not rely on them but the 130~150 MBits TCP speed at the peer are measured and real.

Dashboard encryption and signed mesh traffic mean nothing if somebody just wants to sniff traffic.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, user traffic may be always sniffed and WPA cracked but I was speaking about a secure network, ie ensuring integrity of OLSR control-traffic and securing dashboard-node traffic.
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I was not talking about signed mesh traffic or what Antonio is talking about. You cannot "sniff" the traffic that is traveling across the mesh on our N gear as it is running a customized AES. Now of course to have it network specific you would have to do a little "tweak". We are also going to leverage this towards a better strict mesh. We have had this running since the initial release of our equipment many months ago and the same will be true for our single radio N gear coming soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...we should open a new thread about Smile ,let me know if I should split this topic.
Encrypting users' traffic is a good point. Anyway, just to illustrate more clearly, since meshroot-pro implements pure HWMP 802.11s networks it uses authsae fore secured mesh (all MP peers share a secret password).

Again, let me know if I should split this topic.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems that OM2P has lots of potential, but as of now (November1), test versions up to 332, there are some significant bugs being intensively investigated:
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: New OM2P Reply with quote

I installed nine of the new OM2P units six months ago in a cinder block constructed motel in Galveston Tx. They seem to be working well. See it at "seaside motel" on Cloudtrax.
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You have lots of red. I'm guessing 3 storys and you have your nodes in the room.

That never worked to well for us, can you get into the cellings?

Heres one we did, 4 storys, 115 rooms, but we ran some cable to the 3rd floor. Dropped one OM2P in the lobby for backup if something died.

Didn't need anything on 2nd and 4th, all OM2P's.

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Right now, I see nothing but green for:
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And nothing at all for:
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Creepy!

This is what I see:


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The status display seems to work for me with: renaissance inn 1
* looks like you cant paste it, have to type it. *

Must be allens!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah you're right. I'm normally looking at Meraki maps, where the overview map and the 24 hour bar show problems in red, but I should have attended to the mesh speed bars; like you I see some red there.

Weird, I still can't see
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Are you sure you don't have "Disable Limited View" checked in the general settings?
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It's set to view w/o password. Seems like sometimes it doesn't come up. Weird!

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the new ECB-350 have U-Boot how do i upload new firmware to it. Does anyone know please help

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I'm not sure about the ECB-350, but for the OM2P (uboot), I've used ap51-flash.
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You have to download and compile ap51-flash on your linux box or it might even work with vmware player.

It works really well and can flash more than 1 device at a time.
It also keeps track of devices it has flashed and won't reflash a device when it reboots.

It supports redboot for OM1P's and uboot for OM2P's, auto detecting the bootloader.

So, I'm guessing you could get this to flash your ECB-350. There might be other tools......
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Can someone walk me thru how to do all this. I have a ECB-350 taken apart right now and I have it connect serial and i can login and everything to it.

I want to be the tester. Just someone tell me what to do please.

if you want to help me thru aol or yahoo

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Also the link for svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/trunk openwrt-trunk doesnt work. So i cant download the files Sad

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you clarify what you are trying to flash onto the ECB?

If you are trying to flash/build OpenWRT, then get the images/sources from the openwrt site directly.

I've successfully built Openwrt for the OM1P and OM2P and flashed using ap51-flash from a linux box.

If you are trying to build the Cloudtrax fw, I don't think that is possible. I've never tried, but I don't think you can download the sources anymore.
The closest you can get is OpenWRT + batman-adv. I've used that combination for some interesting applications, but I don't use Cloudtrax.

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Check the readme file.

You should be able to run the exe from a command prompt in Windoze and flash a device. If the ECB is the same architecture as the OM2P, you might get lucky or you might brick it. But uboot would allow recovery.

I skimmed the ap51 sources and didn't see where they check the device mac against a well known list, but the code could certainly check the mac/device during boot and refuse to run, etc.
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