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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: 802.11s (layer2 mesh) evaluation images Reply with quote

Target devices are Ubiquiti M2 products such as:

openwrt-ar71xx-generic-ubnt-bullet-m-squashfs-factory.bin
openwrt-ar71xx-generic-ubnt-rocket-m-squashfs-factory.bin
openwrt-ar71xx-generic-ubnt-rs-squashfs-factory.bin
openwrt-ar71xx-generic-ubnt-unifi-squashfs-factory.bi (not yet tested)

just flash your preferred devices and power-on (as usually, only gateways nodes must be plugged to DSL router):
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enjoy!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you going to make the source available? Question

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Pico M2???
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimmyE wrote:
No Pico M2???

The Bullet M2 build is also usable on a Pico M2. Notably there is no RouterStation Pro or NanoStation M2 builds.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it matter the dashboard that is used?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sankofa wrote:
Does it matter the dashboard that is used?


no, the firmware comunicates with the meshroot dashboard and - surely - I'll provide a free account in order to access and manage the dashboard.
Do not forget that these images are just for evaluation purposes.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the RS-Pros that are shown on you dashboard, single radio devices?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back, Antonio!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Nice! Reply with quote

Installed on a PicoStation M2 - no problem! Gateway seems to work fine, need to try a repeater node.

A couple of newbie questions:

1.) How do I get an account on the meshroot dashboard?
2.) What are the credentials for logging in to the web interface/ssh?
3.) What are you going to do with this?

Thanks, Antonio!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sankofa wrote:
Are the RS-Pros that are shown on you dashboard, single radio devices?


yes, either RS and RS-pro are equipped with only one radio mini-pci.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Nice! Reply with quote

bmoffitt wrote:
Installed on a PicoStation M2 - no problem! Gateway seems to work fine, need to try a repeater node.

A couple of newbie questions:

1.) How do I get an account on the meshroot dashboard?
2.) What are the credentials for logging in to the web interface/ssh?
3.) What are you going to do with this?

Thanks, Antonio!

-Bill


Hi Bill,

1.) email me
2.) there is no login since... 3.) the images are the evaluation of the commercial product.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will they be able to check-in at Cloudtrax or other dashboards (like the round robin functionlaity in 3xxx)?
It's not clear how these builds extend the robin-mesh platform.

Antonio- perhaps you could re-post (with updates) your roadmap for robin-mesh and mesh-root. It has been quite a long time since you originally stated your intentions and what might be available to the robin-mesh community.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Thanks, Antonio Reply with quote

I'll send an email to your gmail address.

I agree it would be nice to know the roadmap for Robin and Meshroot.

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking forward to testing. Email sent requesting a MeshRoot account.

I have 3 Pico M2's and 2 Bullet M2's that I will use as test network.

Great to see you back Antonio, thanks for the release!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robgmann wrote:
Will they be able to check-in at Cloudtrax or other dashboards (like the round robin functionlaity in 3xxx)?
It's not clear how these builds extend the robin-mesh platform.

Well, meshroot doesn't extend the robin-mesh platform: it's another, new, platform. Then, the first thing to understand is that meshroot-s does not work in ah-demo/pseudo IBSS (such as Robin), does not work in adhoc/IBSS (such as batmand) BUT works in mesh mode, i.e. in native Layer2 mesh accordingly to 802.11s (and 802.11n obviously): this way the network acts as a pure transparent bridge, all the interfaces of the nodes (best known as 'mesh points' in 802.11s terminology) are in fact bridged together.
I'd invite to carefully read this document:

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The first consequence is a re-positioning of the captive-portal software which must run outside the mesh. Besides, parameters and data from/to dashboard and radios are different than robin. So, sorry, we need a different management system... as I wrote some months ago.
robgmann wrote:

Antonio- perhaps you could re-post (with updates) your roadmap for robin-mesh and mesh-root. It has been quite a long time since you originally stated your intentions and what might be available to the robin-mesh community.

You can read about meshroot fw here:

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Then, we are quite oriented to port meshroot-s to a Robin-s version... but dashboard will be on your charge. Robin-v2 seems to be on a good way (since the help of the community).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to reading more about this project!

Antonio (isleman) wrote:
Then, the first thing to understand is that meshroot-s does not work in ah-demo/pseudo IBSS (such as Robin), does not work in adhoc/IBSS (such as batmand) BUT works in mesh mode, i.e. in native Layer2 mesh accordingly to 802.11s (and 802.11n obviously)


In the meantime, do pls note that 802.11s is limited by spec to a mesh of 32 nodes max, and I believe current implementations reflect this limitation.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the meantime, do pls note that 802.11s is limited by spec to a mesh of 32 nodes max, and I believe current implementations reflect this limitation.
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Correct... but not entirely true.
32 (though scalable up to 50) is the number of max peer_links per node, ie the the number of nodes that can be seen each other. Have you ever thought of how many nodes are seen in your networks by a single node? Try to inspect the neighbors and maybe you could see that a generic network is composed by 'groups' of nodes that do not talk to each other, and every group has its own gateway node (aka root mesh-point here). Or can happen that one or more 'border' nodes belong to two or more groups.
Much depends on how the network was designed, number of gateway-nodes, hops and distances.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Antonio (isleman) wrote:
Correct... but not entirely true.
32 (though scalable up to 50) is the number of max peer_links per node, ie the the number of nodes that can be seen each other. Have you ever thought of how many nodes are seen in your networks by a single node? Try to inspect the neighbors and maybe you could see that a generic network is composed by 'groups' of nodes that do not talk to each other, and every group has its own gateway node (aka root mesh-point here). Or can happen that one or more 'border' nodes belong to two or more groups.
Much depends on how the network was designed, number of gateway-nodes, hops and distances.


Thank you for the clarification. I agree that a limit of 32 (or 50) on the number of peer links seen by a node is far more agreeable than limiting an entire mesh to 32 (or 50) nodes.

Besides eager curiosity about the prospects of meshroot, I am also curious about the future of Robin v2. Cloudtrax compatibility notwithstanding, it would seem the intended feature set of the commercial meshroot firmware stack could render Robin v2 superfluous? Also, would the ath9k meshroot nodes operating in adhoc be able to share the same mesh with the ath5k meshroot nodes?

Antonio (isleman) wrote:
All the meshroot firmwares support both 802.11n and 802.11s (native Layer2 mesh support) and they are available either for single-radio and dual-radio devices.

meshroot single-radio firmwares:

mono 802.11n
- Atheros AR71xx (Ubiquiti Pico-2M, Bullet-2M, Nano-2M)
- transport and distribution on 2.4 Ghz band (802.11ng) in 'ad-hoc' mode
- HWNP and 802.11s option (transport in 'mesh' mode)

mono 802.11g (version for for devices which do not support 802.11n)
- Atheros 231x/5312 (Ubiquiti Pico2, OM1P, D-Link DIR300, Engenius. …)
- transport and distribution on 2.4 Ghz band (802.11ng) in 'ahdemo' mode


Finally, thanks again and again for all your efforts.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...it would seem the intended feature set of the commercial meshroot firmware stack could render Robin v2 superfluous?

they have the same technology - 802.11n - but differ in dashboard and captive-portal, besides the way they are developed and offered.

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Also, would the ath9k meshroot nodes operating in adhoc be able to share the same mesh with the ath5k meshroot nodes?

meshroot does not use ath5k but old good madwifi in bg-firmware (ah-demo mode) and ath9k in 802.11n (adhoc mode) and 802.11s (mesh mode) based firmwares. As far as I know, mixed modes networks can't cooperate.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

updated images and added minimal-dashboard tarball
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, going to install it later tonight I will have some feedback for you
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Antonio,
I am getting this message when I login in
There are no nodes associated with this network yet. Try new login.
I was expecting it to allow me to add a new node.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Antonio,
I am getting this message when I login in
There are no nodes associated with this network yet. Try new login.
I was expecting it to allow me to add a new node.

It doesn't or at least its not obvious how to (save doing it manually through the database) Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same situation here, per Antonio's previous post's the nodes have to be added manually.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to which fields need to manually added and which fields the node will auto-populate upon check-in.

I created a VMware LAMP server on my network, unzipped the Tar, and linked the databases. Log in with the "provisioning" credentials and receive the same message.

I don't yet have a node flashed, possibly when the node is updated through the LWP to checkin to the server it will add the node as an entry?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:16 pm    Post subject: Ubiquity Pico 2 Reply with quote

It´s sounds very interesting, Antonio, do you have the files for Ubiquity Pico 2??

I have a lot and I would want to try.

Thank u!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Ubiquity Pico 2 Reply with quote

quarbe wrote:
It´s sounds very interesting, Antonio, do you have the files for Ubiquity Pico 2??

I have a lot and I would want to try.

Thank u!

Apparently not yet Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the operations about the dashboard (add/delete/edit DB fileds) are only performed throug phpMyAdmin tools.

When a node checkins, the DB looks for the wifi0 MAC address of that ode inside the table 'node' (column name 'wmac') and then updates the corresponding row. Then, dashboard sends the response to the checking node (look at the end of meshroot-checkin2.php script).
If we don't have a DB row for this node, a new row it will be added to the node table and that new-node will belong to the network 'provisioning' i.e. column 'network_id' will be set to 1. Response will not be sent now but after the next checkin.

Upon checkin, almost all the fields of the 'node' table will be uto-populated/updated. You can manage the nodes by editing the fields of
the related 'network' table:

gmt_offset
country_id
public_dns
alternate_dns
alternate_channel
ap_ssid
ap1_isolation
port_block
send_reply


If you set the network field 'send_reply' to 1 then the dashboard will always send the response to the checking nodes.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for clarifying, How does the node know which dashboard to checkin to?
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