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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:52 pm    Post subject: Network of 7 Mesh Nodes connected directly to the router Reply with quote

Hi,

Might be a daft question, however;

I have 7 lan cables in place for a row of 30 rooms.

Can you connect 7 OM1P boxes directly to the router via a switch using the LAN cables to prevent the hop losses?

Hope this makes sense.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you can, as long as your router assigns them all IPs, which by default shouldn't be a problem.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes you can, as long as your router assigns them all IPs, which by default shouldn't be a problem.

You can also assign them Static IP address's via. the Local Web Page on the router (e.g.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually each node could request a static IP Razz
You could assign them from the main router.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Thanks for the replies guys Reply with quote

I haven't played with commercial broadband connections before. Here in the UK, the standard is 8-20mb connection speeds (claimed).

They were advised to get two of these and obviously we can Mesh them to split the load.

1. Do you think that is better than going for a larger commercial line as the cost I suspect is much higher.
2. Can you have too many nodes as 7 is every 10 meters or so and the signal strength in its current build strength looks like it could easily work off 3-4 nodes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's more bandwidth than most ADSL lines here in Canada, you'll be fine. I'd start with one line and upgrade if you need more.

A gateway every 10m might cause problems where mobile devices hop between them because they can't decide which one to use. You could fix that by naming the node SSIDs individually, like Room1, Room2, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Thanks for the replies guys Reply with quote

andreweaves wrote:
I haven't played with commercial broadband connections before. Here in the UK, the standard is 8-20mb connection speeds (claimed).

They were advised to get two of these and obviously we can Mesh them to split the load.

1. Do you think that is better than going for a larger commercial line as the cost I suspect is much higher.
2. Can you have too many nodes as 7 is every 10 meters or so and the signal strength in its current build strength looks like it could easily work off 3-4 nodes.

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You really need to load balance them, get a load balancer, feed in to the 2 adsl connections, and from the wan output of the load balancer connect it to the switch with the 7 wired access points.

Sounds like too many nodes, you may run into problems with interference - make sure you run Use Node Name as opposed to a single SSID at that density and you will cut out many of the problems.

I must just point out this this system will not be legal in the UK (Robin or Open Mesh) and not compliant with any of the UK legislation for running wifi services as is - you will need to invest time and money to legal it up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you agree he should see how one connection does?
Instead of investing in a load balance, why not just run 3 cables on one router and 4 on the other?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't you agree he should see how one connection does?
Instead of investing in a load balance, why not just run 3 cables on one router and 4 on the other?


TP 4 Port load balancer is only £60 so I always stick them in as part of the quote if I know theres a chance that I will need multiple ADSL in the future as it saves any reconfiguration and makes firewall rules very simple for ongoing management.

But yes, he could just wire up 3 into one router and 4 into another without the balancer

Try with 1 line and see what the comments are. We have a site with a 1mb line feeding a complex with 450 residents (its a working farm) and they are happy as its that or nothing. We have another site with 19 lodges, and they have 4 ADSL lines feeding the network as customers complained about the speed. It all comes down the installation scenario and the service you wish to provide to your customers/clients.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would strongly recommend the usage of two or more external lines, because in the event of a failure in one of the lines, or a router, etc. It has the ability to bring the whole network down with only 1 line. This is of greater importance in production networks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We run 100 locations with one line each. Most scenarios it's too expensive to maintain a second line!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:13 am    Post subject: Cheers for that guys Reply with quote

I hadn't considered a load balancer and definately worth adding to the quote, thanks.

I agree, I think the 7 nodes will be too much and probably max of 3-4 depending on testing.

There is going to be an additional floor below with the same configuration, so depending on the construction, again in theory could be a max of 6-8 nodes on two floors 100m long.

UK law wise, what are the legislation problems? Is it the actual dl of files or knowing who the person was that was doing it? If it is the latter, then wouldn't running them through a payment gateway solve that problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Cheers for that guys Reply with quote

andreweaves wrote:


UK law wise, what are the legislation problems? Is it the actual dl of files or knowing who the person was that was doing it? If it is the latter, then wouldn't running them through a payment gateway solve that problem.


Even with a Payment gateway like WiFIGator,WiFiRush or Coova it does not solve the problem, and would still be non compliant with the below laws. Whatsmore, by running such gateways, you lose the functionality you need to modify parts of the portals and firmware code to actually comply.

Digital Rights bill
Part 11 of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001
Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000
EU Data Retention Directive 2006/24/EC

PM me if you want more details, along with a little about the situation and i'll be pleased to help.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Good point Reply with quote

Was just reading the following;

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply by telling him you've made him liable. My understanding was that the digital rights bill only applies to hotspot operators if they are aware of the bill.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EricWarnke wrote:
Simply by telling him you've made him liable. My understanding was that the digital rights bill only applies to hotspot operators if they are aware of the bill.


Nope! Here in the good old UK, ingnorance is no excuse! I pointed it out as many companies here are providing a service which isnt compliant, and when their customers get a court order to supply the relevent information ( it does happen, weve had to deal with 3 in the 6 months) they cant provide it: resulting in a client getting a very nasty fine.
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