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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Where are we heading to? How can we avoid separation? Money! Reply with quote

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When I browse the wiki or see this picture I can clearly see that the Mesh community is broken into IMHO too many service providers (dash, captive portal, mesh). While I think that variety is a good thing it also imposes the risk that each developer spends too much time on his/her own project, that they re-invent the wheel, that they eventually lose the fun. And that they end up going into opposed directions. CloudTrax going the closed source way (AFAIK). MeshRootLLC going the localized way (professional service only in italy?).

I think in the end everything is about money, right? Every developer / provider needs to pay the monthly bills. Why don't you concentrate on the development and still find a way to earn money? I never used Paypal, Flattr or whatever for receiving payments but shouldn't it be possible to pay 5-15% per Wifi access voucher? (Split that equally so that portal, mesh and dash provider get the same amount.) That would be a very fair thing.

How can we avoid that non-profit-organizations (providing internet in desert areas to poor people) pay money? Would it be possible that they send their Certificate of Exempt Status (CES) or similiar to a central organization so that they don't have to pay (or way less)?

I would be more than happy to regularly spend some money (already spent twice 50 AUD although I have very, very few users) for the on-going development process. But it should be reasonable (therefore PER-use) as I have only 1-4 check-ins per month and very limited bandwidth (0.3Mbit)

Just my personal philosophical opinion.

I would love to see your comments.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: Where are we heading to? How can we avoid separation? Mo Reply with quote

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When I browse the wiki or see this picture I can clearly see that the Mesh community is broken into IMHO too many service providers (dash, captive portal, mesh). While I think that variety is a good thing it also imposes the risk that each developer spends too much time on his/her own project, that they re-invent the wheel, that they eventually lose the fun. And that they end up going into opposed directions. CloudTrax going the closed source way (AFAIK). MeshRootLLC going the localized way (professional service only in italy?).

I think in the end everything is about money, right? Every developer / provider needs to pay the monthly bills. Why don't you concentrate on the development and still find a way to earn money? I never used Paypal, Flattr or whatever for receiving payments but shouldn't it be possible to pay 5-15% per Wifi access voucher? (Split that equally so that portal, mesh and dash provider get the same amount.) That would be a very fair thing.

How can we avoid that non-profit-organizations (providing internet in desert areas to poor people) pay money? Would it be possible that they send their Certificate of Exempt Status (CES) or similiar to a central organization so that they don't have to pay (or way less)?

I would be more than happy to regularly spend some money (already spent twice 50 AUD although I have very, very few users) for the on-going development process. But it should be reasonable (therefore PER-use) as I have only 1-4 check-ins per month and very limited bandwidth (0.3Mbit)

Just my personal philosophical opinion.

I would love to see your comments.

Rüdiger

A couple of things.

* Firstly, White Violet, I am surprised you remembered. It has now been renamed and will be integrated in my forthcoming dashboard, WiFi Mesh.
* Secondly, I agree with your statements, and respect that.
* Thirdly and finally, you mentioned: "I have only 1-4 check-ins per month". I find this hard to believe as every node on popular dashboards checks in at 5 minute intervals sending data about the node and users. This uses bandwidth. On the robin-dash server I am seeing around about 250 Mb a day, somebody has to pay for that (many thanks to scott.page)!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Clarification Reply with quote

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* Firstly, White Violet, I am surprised you remembered. It has now been renamed and will be integrated in my forthcoming dashboard, WiFi Mesh.
* Secondly, I agree with your statements, and respect that.
* Thirdly and finally, you mentioned: "I have only 1-4 check-ins per month". I find this hard to believe as every node on popular dashboards checks in at 5 minute intervals sending data about the node and users. This uses bandwidth. On the robin-dash server I am seeing around about 250 Mb a day, somebody has to pay for that (many thanks to scott.page)!


First - well. Never used White Violet. Found it in the wiki.
Third - sorry, my fault. I meant users using my wifi service NOT checkins to the dashboard.. I have 8 Acctons and 4 FONs which cover 3 houses. At the moment only one neighbour, my brother and I are using the private SSID. On top of that we have holiday flat guests using the public SSID. And they barely use the service because my bandwidth is so darn slow (0.3Mbit). And yes, of course, your bandwidth needs to be covered financially.
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