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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: uniFi 2.0 compared to MeshRoot? outdoors + new features Reply with quote

This system offers many of the same features I depend on in ROBIN and captive portal management. Plus, it seems to offer roaming. Can someone tell me the key differences between MeshRoot/ROBIN and this UniFi system? It's not really mesh, but offers the same benefits?

Those on the Ubiquiti mailing list would have seen this...
UniFi 2.0 beta - introducing outdoor UniFi (basically a rocket running the UniFi firmware), lots of controller enhancements:
Wireless Uplinks - Each wired AP can have up to 4 downlinks whatever that means)
L3 Manageability - Allows controller to run on different subnet
Rate Limiting - Limit upload/download speed per WLAN. Set different rate-limiting for different hotspot packages
Hotspot Billing/Customization- Integrated Billing (Paypal) accepting major credit cards, custom portals

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what I see it seems like a single_gateway 4_repeaters system, so 4 repeaters is its first limit.
Moreover, it's not clear what about non-standard deployments such as 2 gateway and 4 repeaters: I'd add the second gateway to recover from a first gateway failure... but I do not know if the four repeaters, once orphaned, dinamically switch to the 'added' gateway as in the mesh solution. That would be its second limit.

I do not know the costs, anyway it seems is a good solution for home environment.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Antonio. Good points.
I checked with UBNT to see if UniFi runs on their other devices, so as to test it out. They say that anything besides PicoMs and UniFis are unsupported (their Nanostations with UniFi keep crashing).
I'll say one thing - Ubiquiti does a great job with their software and I would imagine the UniFi network management software is quite good.
So, one scenario I can imagine is using UniFi outdoor devices as my mesh backbone network, or someday the dual-LAN-port Nanostations. Control the backbone with UniFi while the nodes run MeshRoot.

It sounds like MeshRoot (and your proprietary dashboard) also has this complete package solution - just not available to most of us.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Antonio (isleman) wrote:
For what I see it seems like a single_gateway 4_repeaters system, so 4 repeaters is its first limit.
Moreover, it's not clear what about non-standard deployments such as 2 gateway and 4 repeaters: I'd add the second gateway to recover from a first gateway failure... but I do not know if the four repeaters, once orphaned, dinamically switch to the 'added' gateway as in the mesh solution. That would be its second limit.

I do not know the costs, anyway it seems is a good solution for home environment.


As many of the Robin users do I hard wire all my access points since the reason I use Robin is for the cloud controller and bandwidth limiting capabilities so meshing is not something I care about. At this time with products like UniFi out its my opinion that if you don't step things up and release something good you are going to loose your following. I commend you for filling in the gaps where the manufactures left them but they have stepped up their game.

The UniFi project is a stable replacement for Robin and supports a lot more clients per access point (more than double) and has all the features that I Need. To say it's good for home use without even looking at the product is not playing nice. FYI my 17 access point UniFi network has been up for two months without a single hiccup even with 50 users on a single access point.

With all that said I am still a Robin follower and am excited to see what Meshroot comes up with next. Just don't make us wait to long.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: uniFi 2.0 compared to MeshRoot? outdoors + new features Reply with quote

robgmann wrote:
This system offers many of the same features I depend on in ROBIN and captive portal management. Plus, it seems to offer roaming. Can someone tell me the key differences between MeshRoot/ROBIN and this UniFi system? It's not really mesh, but offers the same benefits?

Those on the Ubiquiti mailing list would have seen this...
UniFi 2.0 beta - introducing outdoor UniFi (basically a rocket running the UniFi firmware), lots of controller enhancements:
Wireless Uplinks - Each wired AP can have up to 4 downlinks whatever that means)
L3 Manageability - Allows controller to run on different subnet
Rate Limiting - Limit upload/download speed per WLAN. Set different rate-limiting for different hotspot packages
Hotspot Billing/Customization- Integrated Billing (Paypal) accepting major credit cards, custom portals
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UniFi is very stable and does everything it's marketed to do. The controller has some work that needs to be done to it but it's functional.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does UniFi work with radius implementation, walled gardens etc or do you need to use their own management system?

Can 1 UniFi server handle multiple sites, or do you need a server per site?

For the record, we have many sites running latest robin mesh with no reboots or lockups. Some sites have gone a year without requiring a hard reboot, and other sites that have had problems have ultimately turned out to be hardware issues.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brecklandit wrote:
Does UniFi work with radius implementation, walled gardens etc or do you need to use their own management system?

Can 1 UniFi server handle multiple sites, or do you need a server per site?

For the record, we have many sites running latest robin mesh with no reboots or lockups. Some sites have gone a year without requiring a hard reboot, and other sites that have had problems have ultimately turned out to be hardware issues.

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Can be used with radius. It does have its own management system/cloud controller. I am not sure about the multiple sites under one controller i dont see why not since you can load in multiple "maps" and assign an access point to what ever map and you can pick what ssid you want on each ap (max 4 ssid's - from what i remember) you dont need a UniFi ap to install the controller so try it out

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. There is a ton of info in the ubnt.com forums

Are you running the latest Robin firmware? Some of my issues are related to the hardware not being about to suppport 25+ users the rest i don't feel like tracking down and dont feel like i should have to put a ton of trouble shooting into fixing something that should just work. heck this aint the days of NT 4 or Exchange 5.5 stuff just works now.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am thinking along the same lines. I thought the mesh would be useful for my network, but over the past year, it's all just point-to-multipoint. ROBIN is nice, but I really need just solid CPEs for each subscriber (rather than a mesh node). The dashboards are no longer meeting my needs for more detailed reporting.
Sounds like you are impressed with UniFi as the gateway. Is your experience with a mix of N and B/G clients? I am starting to flash my Engenius (1650) client stations with OpenWRT (Gargoyle-router.com) instead of ROBIN. For a network management solution, I like the direction UniFi is headed.
One more question: Have you mixed UniFi and AirControl, i.e. UniFi controlling those 'gateway' functions and AirControl managing the non-UniFi clients and backbone, for example?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you running the latest Robin firmware? Some of my issues are related to the hardware not being about to suppport 25+ users the rest i don't feel like tracking down and dont feel like i should have to put a ton of trouble shooting into fixing something that should just work. heck this aint the days of NT 4 or Exchange 5.5 stuff just works now.

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We have many nodes with 25+ users on, although to be fair, we only state 30 users max for the 2611p hardware. We are using Chlli and NDS and the Chilli is far mare stable.

We do run our own captive portal solution, dashboard and use a combination of hardware to best suite the clients requirements, not just Robin. I look forward to seeing where Antonio is taking Meshroot.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robgmann wrote:
I am thinking along the same lines. I thought the mesh would be useful for my network, but over the past year, it's all just point-to-multipoint. ROBIN is nice, but I really need just solid CPEs for each subscriber (rather than a mesh node). The dashboards are no longer meeting my needs for more detailed reporting.
Sounds like you are impressed with UniFi as the gateway. Is your experience with a mix of N and B/G clients? I am starting to flash my Engenius (1650) client stations with OpenWRT (Gargoyle-router.com) instead of ROBIN. For a network management solution, I like the direction UniFi is headed.
One more question: Have you mixed UniFi and AirControl, i.e. UniFi controlling those 'gateway' functions and AirControl managing the non-UniFi clients and backbone, for example?


I dont use aircontrol since i use Mikrotik for any of my point to multipoint needs. I use Mikrotik for its advanced routing capibilities. The SXT is good for CPE's and i have it working at its max speed with nv2 200mbps. The rb800 is a awesome access point for the "point" coupled with the sxt's you cant get a cheaper solid backbone solution. I put a 2611p robin network on top of that network so i can obtain a fully wired gateway only network. i hear a rumor that they will mix unifi and aircontrol into one management solution. My UniFi network has a mix or bg and n clients.

Mikrotik backbone RB411AH "point" rbsxt "multipoint" with Robin 2611p's

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:45 am    Post subject: I am also leaving as soon as possible Reply with quote

hi there,

sorry to say - but I am also leaving as soon as Ubiquiti releases their UAP-PRO.

Careful - heavy ranting ahead!

I tried to support Robin-mesh with a bit of money (sorry, can't afford more).
I tried to support Robin-mesh with bug reports. They have been sitting there untouched or are not fixed (still cannot see wireless connectivity - #47).
I was willing to pay a price for every check-in of my users.
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For me, Ubiquiti UniFi offers everything I want. A centralized solution running in my network. I do not have to cope with a radius provider. I do not need to set up my own radius server. I have paypal integration. I have vouchers. UBNT will include extensive logging into an upcoming release. But I can also route the user traffic through Tor. I don't have to trace a connection problem between me and

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(I have over 15 hops which can and often fail between me and robin-dash.net. - We all know that the internet is not so redundant as it should be, as some providers only peer with close ISPs). With my 10-12h working day I simply do not have the time to host a dashboard on my own. I wanted to get rid of Open-Mesh permanently - which is still sending me mails for failed nodes - which are not failing.

Don't get me wrong here - I don't want a service/software for free. And I understand that Antonio and Cody need money. I was REALLY looking forward to get my NS5M, NS2, PS2M, PS2 supported by Meshroot/wifimesh. But hey guys - your transition phase from open source robin-mesh to meshroot/wifimesh is bad. Meshroot.com still only displays a nice tree. wifi-mesh.net only displays a lorem ipsum page then forwards to the beta dashboard. What is happening? Will Meshroot also provide a service/device to non-italian users? Is there a timeline? A roadmap? What is happening here? Here (

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you are talking about your business plan and SaaS. Are you still considering this? (In some business schools you have a week as a maximum to create a business plan.) A lot of months have passed since April 14th. You should inform your users more regularly. Or maybe I am overlooking a GREAT page where you sort all questions (not the wiki)?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rudiger,

I understand your perplexities and your needs but at the same time I do not want use this forum as something like announcements for meshroot, at least now.
Unfortunately, we are a bit late but Please email me, I'll be glad to send you updates about meshroot and meshroot-pro firmware: both are in alfa test and we do not like web sites with work-in-progress warnings.

And yes, business plans can be written in a week or in one day... but then you have to follow the plan and sometimes adapt to new upcoming events Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: I am also leaving as soon as possible Reply with quote

rgbiernat wrote:
hi there,

sorry to say - but I am also leaving as soon as Ubiquiti releases their UAP-PRO.

Careful - heavy ranting ahead!

I tried to support Robin-mesh with a bit of money (sorry, can't afford more).
I tried to support Robin-mesh with bug reports. They have been sitting there untouched or are not fixed (still cannot see wireless connectivity - #47).
I was willing to pay a price for every check-in of my users.
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For me, Ubiquiti UniFi offers everything I want. A centralized solution running in my network. I do not have to cope with a radius provider. I do not need to set up my own radius server. I have paypal integration. I have vouchers. UBNT will include extensive logging into an upcoming release. But I can also route the user traffic through Tor. I don't have to trace a connection problem between me and

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(I have over 15 hops which can and often fail between me and robin-dash.net. - We all know that the internet is not so redundant as it should be, as some providers only peer with close ISPs). With my 10-12h working day I simply do not have the time to host a dashboard on my own. I wanted to get rid of Open-Mesh permanently - which is still sending me mails for failed nodes - which are not failing.

Don't get me wrong here - I don't want a service/software for free. And I understand that Antonio and Cody need money. I was REALLY looking forward to get my NS5M, NS2, PS2M, PS2 supported by Meshroot/wifimesh. But hey guys - your transition phase from open source robin-mesh to meshroot/wifimesh is bad. Meshroot.com still only displays a nice tree. wifi-mesh.net only displays a lorem ipsum page then forwards to the beta dashboard. What is happening? Will Meshroot also provide a service/device to non-italian users? Is there a timeline? A roadmap? What is happening here? Here (

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you are talking about your business plan and SaaS. Are you still considering this? (In some business schools you have a week as a maximum to create a business plan.) A lot of months have passed since April 14th. You should inform your users more regularly. Or maybe I am overlooking a GREAT page where you sort all questions (not the wiki)?

Rüdiger



The pro sounds like a promising device I have a bunch of the LR's and they go far even when mounted on a wall. The LR's are fine for public wifi installs since they only have a single 100mbps port and you would rarely have more than 100mbps feeding a public wifi site for Internet (I range from 25-100mbps per site) but the pro's with gigabit ports will be installed in my corporate network for sure I run a few LR's now on my corporate LAN now but it sucks being stuck at 100mbps. One thing is they perform better than my Cisco access points I paid $700 each for.

The pro's have been mentioned for a while so with anything else wifi don't hold up projects waiting for them. They are also coming out with a outdoor version which looks promising.

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