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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: NG ready for 3rd party hardware Reply with quote

I've just flashed an Engenius EOC-1650 with the NG firmware (calls itself build 354).
FonFlash loaded up these NG files perfectly:
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Radio is running fine as a gateway, and right off the bat I used Cloudtrax to enable Bridge-SSID2-to-LAN. This has never worked for me on robin-mesh - as I type, my PC is linked to SSID2 and pulling the IP address from my own DHCP server.
I haven't tested other Cloudtrax features, but I presume most of them don't care what hardware you're running once your device is on the dashboard.

Some thoughts - need to try this with another repeater and test the meshing. Would like to try an over-the-air flash as well. Will post how that goes.





The Cloudtrax dashboard has been enticing me with features lately. For one, the Bridge-to-LAN feature which has never worked for me on ROBIN.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: NG ready for 3rd party hardware Reply with quote

AFAIK NG does work on the EOC1650 - I believe the LED lights don't light up correctly though.

I remember someone mentioning that the speed is also potentially an issue (runs about half of what the 1650 is capable of) but this was 6+ months ago - maybe the latest firmware release inadvertently solved it?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used some of the early NG releases on the 1650's and then got away from it.

My concerns at the time were, no AP isolation, and no antenna control for the Engenius devices which was greatly affecting coverage.

Most of my installs are outdoor, utilizing directional coverage, and the current Open-Mesh hardware is not very outdoor friendly.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI, I switched a 12 node network from Robin to NG (using 354) last month which had EOC1650s, EOC2610s and an EOC2611. I originally used the same type of hardware in each location as I had when it was Robin (I would flash one somewhere else and then just do a hardware swap while onsite) but quickly found out that 354 supported all the units for running but only the 2611 was fully supported (full power). The other two models acted similarly to MR3201s in the field. I contacted Open Mesh support and was told that while other models may work (the EOC2611), there were no plans to spend time determining how to support the 1650 or the 2610. They pointed me to the code and had no issue if I wanted to dig into it to figure it out myself but alas I am not technical enough to do that!!

I am actually curious as to whether the issue was an openwrt issue rather than an openmesh issue and am planning to retry it with the new 376 firmware which has been updated to openwrt 29330.....

Just FYI on my experiences so far.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EOC-1650 antenna discussion thread is here:

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There were a lot of people involved, including jalanmac and myself. Basically the RX/TX needs to be a 2 for the 1650's from what I recall.

I changed the RX/TX settings on the 1650 running NG to "2" via ssh'ing in and recall the performance was improved to what I would expect.

But.... it ddn't stick and would resort back to a"1" on NG for the 1650's. A few days later I would end up with the same poor performance after the settings defaulted. I opened a ticket with open-mesh on the NG firmware a long time back to support the 1650 RX/TX settings but it was never completed.

It's been many many months since I tinkered with it, but if someone is running 2 1650's on current NG, SSH in and change RX/TX to 2. I think you will be able to confirm that this helps these units quite a bit performance wise.

With the default of "1" I recall them being almost useless in my testing. Jalanmac's post below and some re-reading of the old antenna post clarify why I got away from it for these devices.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have all my Engenius gear that I pulled out of service local - I only have an old 2610 with a dodgy antenna connector (it actually wobbles in the case) and an OM2P to test with. Remaining curious about engenius and NG, here is what I did:

Set them up about 100 feet apart with a couple of thick concrete walls between them. Confirmed that they could not see each other with stock firmware (NG376).

Changed the 2610's transmit and receive from 1 to 2 in /etc/config/wireless (see the entire file at the bottom). I confirmed that it stuck after a reboot and then tested with both internal and external antennas (the external antenna connection had about half the RSSI as the internal panel connection - but am not sure that isn't potentially due to the dodgy connector).

Using the internal panel antenna and the 0,2,2 settings, the 2610 did connect and show an RSSI of about 25 each way when there was no visibility using the 0,1,1 settings.

In a couple of weeks when I get back to the site I will do a little more testing in situations that I have experience with R3842 just for comparison purposes but just wanted to point this out in case onyone else is interested.

The only other thing I noticed was that my connection through the 2610 (using the internal antenna as well) tended to show a 2 - 5% packet loss using pingtest.


root@TBD1_EOC2610:/etc/config# cat wireless

config 'wifi-device' 'radio0'
option 'type' 'atheros'
option 'country' 'US'
option 'distance' '2000'
option 'phy' 'wifi0'
option 'diversity' '0'
option 'txantenna' '2'
option 'rxantenna' '2'
option 'hwmode' '11g'
option 'softled' '0'
option 'channel' '11'

config 'wifi-iface' 'wmesh'
option 'device' 'radio0'
option 'ifname' 'mesh0'
option 'network' 'mesh'
option 'mode' 'ahdemo'
option 'ssid' 'mesh'
option 'bssid' 'XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
option 'encryption' 'none'
option 'hidden' '0'
option 'disabled' '0'
option 'frag' '2346'
option 'rts' '256'
option 'rate' 'auto'
option 'mcast_rate' '18000'

config 'wifi-iface' 'pub'
option 'device' 'radio0'
option 'ifname' 'pub0'
option 'mode' 'ap'
option 'hidden' '0'
option 'disabled' '0'
option 'ssid' UUUU'
option 'encryption' 'psk'
option 'key' 'YYYYYYYYYYYY'

config 'wifi-iface' 'priv'
option 'device' 'radio0'
option 'ifname' 'priv0'
option 'mode' 'ap'
option 'encryption' 'psk'
option 'key' '0p3nm35h'
option 'hidden' '0'
option 'port' '1812'
option 'disabled' '0'
option 'ssid' 'UUUUU'
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind that none of this is officially supported and I can almost guarantee that Open-Mesh Support's first reply is going to be have you tried it on Open-Mesh hardware?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cody,

You are 100% correct as that was the response when I first encountered the issue and opened a support ticket. I definitely wouldn't recommend anyone purchasing engenius hardware with thoughts of using it for NG impelementations but if there is anyone else like me that has some leftover engenius gear out there, they could test it out for now (although there is also no guarantee that future versions won't change the structure for storing receive and transfer - which is currently pretty simple).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bconverse wrote:
http://www.engenius.us/cloudtrax/

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From that I would gather that the EAP3660 & EOC2611P are supported by NG.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From that I would gather that the EAP3660 & EOC2611P are supported by NG.


The site indicates that:

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Works only with EnGenius-Cloudtrax "ready" products. Model number denotes a -CC at ending, ex: EAP3660-CC.

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or here to check availability.

currently available series:
EAP3660-CC (indoor smoke detector form factor)
EOC2611P-CC (outdoor with PoE supplied)


Do you suppose that the non -CC versions of those products support "off the shelf" NG or could it be the case that the -CC versions have been flashed with a slightly customized version of NG?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sronan wrote:
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From that I would gather that the EAP3660 & EOC2611P are supported by NG.


The site indicates that:

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Works only with EnGenius-Cloudtrax "ready" products. Model number denotes a -CC at ending, ex: EAP3660-CC.

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or here to check availability.

currently available series:
EAP3660-CC (indoor smoke detector form factor)
EOC2611P-CC (outdoor with PoE supplied)


Do you suppose that the non -CC versions of those products support "off the shelf" NG or could it be the case that the -CC versions have been flashed with a slightly customized version of NG?

My guess is that they are just standard devices pre-flashed with NG.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, according to a ticket today, the 3660 doesn't have enough memory for an over the air flash, and therefore needs to be flashed manually.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loaded ng-r376 on an eoc 1650, after changing rx/tx to 2, performance was what I would expected as a gateway. I will test the mesh speed when I can pull another one off a site and flash it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have three eoc 1650's running ng-376. The network name kbcdrc.
I Set rx/tx to 2 and it stuck. So far so good.
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