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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Small micro ATX as a border router Reply with quote

I've got my eye on these as a potential gateway box:


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They're relatively inexpensive ($300 for a complete system), very small and quiet, low power consumption, and best of all, they already have dual NIC's installed. I'd run something like ClarkConnect (

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) on them to provide DNS, proxy, and who knows what else.

Is anyone else looking at a different solution? The Shuttle KPC looks like a great alternative at only $200 for a complete system (only one NIC by default though). Too bad they haven't started selling the KPC yet!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also testing Clark connect as a border router. I have batmand running on it so it can dynamically read the routes. I'll let you all know how it performs and what difficulties i ran into. I am also working with Tate as well. So, you may hear from either of us.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie question.

Why use a boarder router? To keep all traffic from hitting all nodes in a larger network?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are using border routers for several purposes.

The first purpose would be to have a platform that is more powerful (CPU and memory) at the border that can handle more difficult tasks than the Meraki minis can handle on their own. Basically we are offloading as much cpu and memory as possible to keep our minis from being strained.

Also, it makes it easier to keep our networks CALEA compliant as it would allow us to have large storage capacity for captured data and voice. This is a requirement as we live in the United States.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the explanation.

It only has one nic but the Via Arigo looks like a neat little box.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice little system! Might not work for my applications but a good find. Thanks for the link!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: Small micro ATX as a border router Reply with quote

Hi,

it could be worth considering the Via miniITX platform.

I've been running some of these beasties as LW mesh nodes, m0n0wall and untangle for up to 5 years now and they don't miss a beat.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice. I have been considering trying out Zeroshell.

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It is a real nice distro that I use as a client portal here at work. Works perfectly. No hard drive required. Just a low powered PC with a CD-Rom and a flash stick (32MB).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not use commercial gear like this one from NetGear?

It provides DUAL WAN broadband connections so that you can double your internet bandwidth to the network and it also supports 200 simultaneous VPN Tunnel sessions. The best street price price is about $360.00
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I'm thinking of using these in public areas where professionals want VPN capability.

Any comments on this idea?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a decent price. especially for that many vpn tunnels.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am looking for a plug and play box with all the proper firewall and VPN routing features and this one seems to be close to the ideal one. They have lower priced units that allow 50 VPN sessions as well. These units also allow me to login remotely and change settings and view traffic stats and they have a brand name that won't scare proprietors at each location. The only question I haven't answered yet on them is whether or not they have PPTP passthrough or IPSEC passthrough ability because I fear that they may be only aimed at the corporate network for incoming VPN tunnels. If so then this wouldn't work in a public WIFI scenario.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a maximum client base of 253 clients, and the possibility that you most likely won't have that many clients at one time. And on top of that, of those clients, how many of them will actually be VPN'd at one time. I assume 50 or less VPNs will be more than enough.

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